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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2021-10-04 10:27 pm
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Frederick the Great and Other 18th-C Characters, Discussion Post 31

And in this post:

-[personal profile] luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!

-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and [personal profile] selenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!

-[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War

(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)

-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D
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Re: The '45: from Derby to Culloden and after

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-10-08 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, you are awesome! Good find, and I'm going with "fake" now!

Was that letter cited in Duffy, [personal profile] luzula? Or another book? Duffy in my experience does readable military history and is valuable in that respect, but when it comes to his source analysis, he repeatedly falls for fake and dubious sources in a way that is more egregious than your average Fritz biographer.

Heee. I recently came across a very fake-sounding 1757 letter from Fritz to MT and was rather proud of myself when I investigated and was proven right.)

Hee! Good for you! I was suspicious about Eugene's memoirs from the first page, and then Selena found that they were written by the Prince de Ligne, and I was pleased. :)

If only professional historians were this skeptical!
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Re: The '45: from Derby to Culloden and after

[personal profile] luzula 2021-10-08 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It is from Duffy, yes! I don't know much about your Fritz, and so wasn't in a position to be critical of that bit.

Duffy wrote two books about the '45; the second one is an updated and expanded version of the first, where he says he went through four times as much source material as for the first. It has an incredible amount of detail compared to other books I've found, which is valuable for writing fanfic set during the war. : )

ETA: In general I find it frustrating when historians make judgements about people's character, or competence, or motivations, and don't tell you how they got to that conclusion. See for example the Lenman quote in one of my comments. Maybe he had read lots of the guy's letters, or whatever, to come to that conclusion, but how am I to know? In that respect Duffy is no worse and considerably better than some books I've read at backing up his judgement by citing sources--though perhaps, as you say, sometimes uncritical of those sources.
Edited 2021-10-08 21:33 (UTC)