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Frederick the Great and Other 18th-C Characters, Discussion Post 31
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luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!
-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, andselenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!
-mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War
(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)
-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D
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luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and
selenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!-
mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)
-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D
Re: The Backstory for the '45
Yes, Britain didn't really have territorial ambitions in continental Europe, apart from keeping Hanover safe. Naval concessions - well, the navies were pretty finally balanced at this point - it was only in 1759, "this wonderful year" as the song has it, that the balance really tipped in Britain's favour. I suppose a Stuart king may have made concessions that pre-emptively did that. But within a few years, he would have very likely been forced by Parliament to put Britain's interests first. France was pretty canny in not giving the help that was promised to BPC - just enough to keep Britain busy, not enough to make a difference. Scotland was always a bit of a pawn in that way.
Re: The Backstory for the '45
So do we! That's what we've been calling it for a couple years now. I forget who came up with it, but it makes me happy. :)
Yes, Britain didn't really have territorial ambitions in continental Europe, apart from keeping Hanover safe.
Which really, really wouldn't have been a concern for the Stuarts. ;)
Naval concessions - well, the navies were pretty finally balanced at this point - it was only in 1759, "this wonderful year" as the song has it, that the balance really tipped in Britain's favour. I suppose a Stuart king may have made concessions that pre-emptively did that.
What I'm thinking was that France might have asked for some of the overseas territory and trading privileges back that they lost thirty years earlier in the Peace of Utrecht. If they wanted something directly from Britain rather than (or in addition) Britain's support in concessions closer to home.
But within a few years, he would have very likely been forced by Parliament to put Britain's interests first.
Exactly. That's why you almost never get long-term benefits from putting your guy on your neighbor's throne; your interests will conflict almost immediately. Or as Leopold put it about Marie Antoinette, "I have a sister who is queen of France, but the Holy Empire has no sister and nor does Austria."