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luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!
-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and
selenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!
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mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War
(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)
-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D
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-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and
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(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)
-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D
Re: Emma on Film
Date: 2021-10-11 05:12 am (UTC)Lady Hamilton looks like it has a lot of fun scenes! I actually rather liked the guy who was playing Dr. Graham, from his two split-second scenes :D
I haven't watched Bequest to the Nation yet; it looks like it might actually be the whole movie, so I may have to watch that over a longer period of time. (Lol, when am I supposed to watch Babylon 5?? ;) )
There never was a tale of greater woe...
Date: 2021-10-18 06:41 am (UTC)And then various things over the next two decades happened.
1) Vivien Leigh was bi polar, and there was little to no idea of how to handle this back then. Mostly the people around her thought the cycles of giddy heights and deep depression were spoiled star behavior, despite her doctors pointing out it was a genuine mental problem.
2) Olivier was rapidly considered as the best (stage) actor of his generation, but this never quite translated to the movies, including his own Shakespeare films. He's good in several of them, don't get me wrong, but the effect he must have had on a live audience according to evreyone's descriptions just isn't there. Meanwhile, the camera had loved Vivien Leigh. They didn't act together in movies anymore after "That Hamilton Woman", but they acted repeatedly on stage, where the critical lords of the day, especially Kenneth Tynan who was an Olivier fanboy of the first order, trounced her for not being at his level. (This did wonders for her mental condition.) Conversely, if she did act far, far away from him in the movies, like in the film version of "Streetcar named Desire" which she got her second Oscar for, you had director Elia Kazan suspecting Olivier must be secretly coaching her. (Which was rubbish.)
3) She also had miscarriages and got tuberculosis.
4) True fact sounding like a story: Terence Rattigan's screenplay for "The VIPs" - filmed with Elizabeth Taylor and Richard burton - was inspired by something that happened to the Oliviers, with Vivien nearly leaving him for Peter Finch but fog preventing the plane from taking off so Laurence Olivier made it to the airport and could persuade her to stay with him.
6) In the end, though, he left her, for Joan Plowright. (Who'd played his daughter in "The Entertainer".) After a few more years on her own, she died.
7) According to his son Tarquin, in old age Laurence Olivier when watching "That Hamilton Woman" on the telly got tears in his eyes and said "This was real. This was love". (To which Joan Plowright presumably said "Thanks, Larry", I guess. She's a fabulous old woman herself now, as can be seen in the movie "Tea with the Dames" which is streaming on Amazon Prime in my region at last.)
Re: There never was a tale of greater woe...
Date: 2021-10-20 04:58 am (UTC)you had director Elia Kazan suspecting Olivier must be secretly coaching her. (Which was rubbish.)
>:( Why can't she just be allowed to be awesome? (I know :P )
Ugh to miscarriages and tuberculosis and bipolar :((((( I guess at least her doctors knew there was a problem?
Vivien nearly leaving him for Peter Finch but fog preventing the plane from taking off so Laurence Olivier made it to the airport and could persuade her to stay with him.
This, on the other hand, is lovely!
In the end, though, he left her, for Joan Plowright. (Who'd played his daughter in "The Entertainer".)
...and this is NOT. (I like the detail about her playing his daughter. Ouch.)
To which Joan Plowright presumably said "Thanks, Larry", I guess. She's a fabulous old woman herself now
Heh. This isn't so bad, I guess :P
Re: There never was a tale of greater woe...
Date: 2021-10-22 10:09 am (UTC)A Streetcar Named Desire
My week with Marylin
Tea with the Dames
And here's a shipper's vid proving, if nothing else, that they were a gorgeous couple: In my life