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And in this post:

-[personal profile] luzula is going to tell us about the Jacobites and the '45!

-I'm going to finish reading Nancy Goldstone's book about Maria Theresia and (some of) her children Maria Christina, Maria Carolina, and Marie Antoinette, In the Shadow of the Empress, and [personal profile] selenak is going to tell us all the things wrong with the last four chapters (spoiler: in the first twenty chapters there have been many, MANY things wrong)!

-[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard is going to tell us about Charles XII of Sweden and the Great Northern War

(seriously, how did I get so lucky to have all these people Telling Me Things, this is AWESOME)

-oh, and also there will be Yuletide signups :D

Surprise meetings

Date: 2021-11-03 07:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selenak
In a way, St. Petersburg is a symbol for Peter's reign, isn't it? Lots of life lost, looked insane to most of his contemporaries, but at the end he did have what he wanted: a modern city, which became the capital of Russia until the revolution and is still the second largest city overall. And truly, stunningly beautiful. Alas I was there in the days before I had a digital comera. But it's breathtaking, because Peter and his successors employed Italian architects. It's not called "the Venice of the North" for nothing.

Irresistible AU: Fritz on an "incognito" sightseeing trip to Vienna. MT's reaction. Discuss. :P

Oh lord. At which point of their lives? Because I think the reaction might vary depending on when this takes place in their lives. (What she actually does, I mean. The emotional reaction would be pretty much identical throughout, unless he visits before her father's death.)

Silesia 1 "I don't care what you say, Franzl and advisors, the bastard gets arrested. I'm not a bro."

Between wars: "So the Margrave of Brandenburg is curious to see Vienna? Fine. Any beggars throwing dung at him shall be rewarded with a life time pension. Otherwise we ignore him. Pretend he doesn't exist."
(FS: But Mitz, maybe if you two meet...
MT: No.
FS: Didn't you want to present that all female riding in the world's most famous riding school? Maybe you should do that while he's there, then you can be sure no one will pay him any attention.
MT: You're not planning to secretly give him the tip to be there, do you?
FS: Of course not.)

Silesia 2: Tell the Margrave of Brandenburg, politely, we do not welcome spies. He may attend my husband's coronation in Frankfurt and visit that city instead, though.

Peacetime both between Silesia 2 and the 7 Years War, and after, if she learns of his intention soon enough: "Well, if the King must inflict his presence on us, he should bring my cousin his wife along. I shall sent an escort bringing her here, so they can be together during every moment of his visit to Vienna. What? I believe in the encouragement of marital harmony!"

If it's truly a surprise and she can't do that: "No, Joseph, I'm not going to let you meet him alone. I'm going for a version of Selena's No.4 fictional meeting between us, since I know otherwise you'll meet him behind my back anyway. Also, the beggars of Vienna are still offered a pension in the event of a certain scenario."

Re: Surprise meetings

Date: 2021-11-03 09:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard
In a way, St. Petersburg is a symbol for Peter's reign, isn't it? Lots of life lost, looked insane to most of his contemporaries, but at the end he did have what he wanted:

What a great way of putting it. It is indeed symbolic.

It's not called "the Venice of the North" for nothing.

Thank you for reminding me that I wanted to tell [personal profile] cahn that it's also called "The City Built on Bones." Both are true! (And that's really Peter's reforms in a nutshell: the Venice of the North Built on Bones.)

MT: I laughed so hard! I knew I wanted you to cover this AU. :D This is joining the Rheinsberg ficlets.

He may attend my husband's coronation in Frankfurt and visit that city instead, though.

Hahaha, this reminds me of the reaction of some of her advisors to the proposal of compromising with Fritz on Silesia:

The Elector of Brandenburg's function in the Empire, he pointed out, was to hold the emperor's silver wash basin, not to invade his domains.

Reported by Asprey.

The whole thing is so hilarious, I must refrain from quoting ALL of it!

Re: Surprise meetings

Date: 2021-11-05 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] felis
Margrave of Brandenburg

Wait, did she actually call him that or is it something you made up along the lines of the Queen of Hungary? Either way, this was a very amusing outline. :D

Also, this

Any beggars throwing dung at him shall be rewarded with a life time pension.

reminds me: Apparently, when Fritz visited Aachen in 1742, with 16-year-old Heinrich as company and right after Silesia 1, there were some tumultuous scenes happening in front of his quarters - enough so that the mayor had to issue an edict to admonish the local youths and students to stop their "impertinent yelling, running to and fro, and stone-throwing". Since Fritz mentions in a letter to Podewils that he was surprised by the local anti-France sentiments, I guess that, plus the abundance of catholicism in Aachen, might have been enough for some antipathy? (Also, Voltaire was living next door to Fritz for a week then, which might have attracted some trouble as well? Though he isn't mentioned in the edict.)

Re: Surprise meetings

Date: 2021-11-06 07:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] selenak
I made it up to parallel "the Queen of Hungary", but I dimly seem to recall that one of the many books I read in recent years, possibly the Stollberg-Rillinger MT biography, said that Kaunitz when laying out his grand Diplomatic Revolution plan did include as one of the goals to make Fritz the Margrave of Brandenburg again. Though whether that was a direct quote or just his goal paraphrased, I can't recall anymore.

Also, Voltaire was living next door to Fritz for a week then, which might have attracted some trouble as well? Though he isn't mentioned in the edict.

Trouble in Voltaire's vicinity and it's not about Voltaire? Quoi? :) That is interesting, that the Aachen students were anti him instead of cheering him. Mind you, in addition to the Catholic-ness of good old Aix-La-Chappelle, MT was at this point making gains in the propaganda war, going from ridiculed to praised in many a pamphlet, while Fritz was on the one hand admired for audaciously pulling his landgrab off but otoh having dumped his allies the moment he had what he wanted had proven himself as unreliable, so there was that.

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